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An Open Letter to Ralph Nadar About His Dis to Obama |
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stayup |
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NADER IS RIGHT!! the question is will he be a uncle sam or uncle tom? the banks own him we dont.
1. Lord Obama voted for the fisa bill after he said he wouldnt 2. he voted in favor of the bailout when 99% of americans were against it but i guess in your idol worship you didnt notice that Lord Obama also wants a million youth brigade similar to hitlers nazi youth. keep drinking your kool aid you suckas the bankers wanted obama thats why they didnt have to steal this election. i voted for cynthia mckinney its cool we voted a black man in but if he is a working for the banks how is it a benefit to us? ask yourself |
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furthermore if you noticed during the interview fox defended Our lord and savior obama they didnt go along with nader!!! they said nader just killed his
political career for saying that against obama
thats the interesting part, fox was demonizing obama at saying he was a terrorist and all that at first and now they love him?? what does that tell you??? this is a setup keep your guards up people. DAMN are you all that stupid?? |
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stayup |
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you idiots fell right into the trap UNCLE TOM is not a racist comment. THAt is our word that describes those who go along with the system and oppress other
blacks how is it racist to say that you guys are all idiots. We called clarence thomas a sellout uncle tom now its racist to call our LORD AND SAVIOR OBAMA one
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
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Hey fam
If your main point to position yourself as someone who the smartest guy in the class and you could smirk and say I told u so.. keep doing what your doing and if everything pans out then you will be correct and win the argument.. whether or not people heed future advice will be questionable.. If your goal is to encourage people, many of them excited for the first time in years, and you want to see some systemtic change in both policy and mindset, calling people suckas and stupid certainly won't cut it..many of these suckas and stupid people are first time voters.. many found dude's message of Hope a welcome change.. many were emotionally moved. If your the smartest guy instead of calling them suckas write a complelling piece explaining your take.. do a nice podcast and go out and figure out a way to inspire all those who you feel are stupid.. Maybe you want them all to fall off and then you will be happy.. As FOR fOX NEWS Nadar's INTERVIEW WAS WITH SHEPPARD sMITH who is not a GOP flakey.. He did an indepth interview on Fox News in LA several weeks ago and spoke about his politics and has no real love for his collgues who he calls opinion makers and not newsmen and journalist.. so for Sheppard to challnge Nadar is not usual its consistent with his politics going all the way back to Katrina when he got into it with Bill Oreilly over his unfair and exaggerated descriptions. |
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Davey,
I just hate to see people get suckered back into beleiving in the system. Obamas message of hope and change is very empty rhetoric its smart and strategic to be vague, i mean it got him elected. but if you want real change you have to end the federal reserve system and he wont go near that type of change. RON PAUL would and thats why you didnt even get to hear him speak or even know of his candidacy. Im just scared obamnites will accept all the things that they hated under bush they will now find acceptale under obama. thats why i call them suckas because they dont have a clue who obama is and who controls him. I mean he just hired RAhm Emanuel this guy is so pro isreal its ridiculous. so thats one "CHANGE" thats not changing and i guess israel will continue to pimp our country to fight innocent countries like iraq and iran. I just want people to understand how the system works OBAMA was picked by the bankers not the people. I know yall voted and everything but come on OBAMA didnt take any money from the public during his prsedential run therefore he dont owe us shit. so stop your fucking crying and get back to reality. |
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first of all, Nader's comments have been somewhat misinterpreted. what he actually said was, is obama gonna be an uncle sam or an uncle tom? so it's a
fair question, although his choice of wording could certainly be seen as being racially-insensitive. Nader had a chance to qualify his comments and didn't.
it seems the real issue here is whether its ok for white folks to use words which are coded with deep meaning for black people, like uncle tom or nigga. i would say no, for the simple reason that they bring up a context which may be more than what was intended. uncle tom is a word used by blacks to describe other blacks who have supplicated the white master. in obama's case this is not the situation. he has transcended the white master and become the commander-in-chief of America, thus hammering a huge nail in the perception (if not the reality) of white supremacy. sure, as a president, he is beholden to certain obligations which may conflict with his own personal agenda. but in this respect he is still in a position to create more positive change for his people than any other president since kennedy. nader referring to him as an uncle tom shows you why ralph is a little off. first of all, to quote steel pulse, "uncle sam and uncle tom/yes they are the same one." so it's unclear how being an uncle sam would be different in any way shape or form than being an uncle tom. second of all, it's way to early to make this call, and it's not nader's call to make. as a white liberal who is not in the loop as far as the racial politik of america, he has no right to determine who is and isnt an uncle tom, and furthermore, why would he even care? it's not like he ever did anything for black people. where this stands now is that nader looks like a whiny liberal elite jerk, shepard smith gets journo points, and obama is still the motherfuckin' president. he was not elected on a 'black' agenda, and to some degree his campaign transcended race, but i dont think there is any question that part of his agenda is to bring about change, equality, and justice without dissolving into ugly confrontations or promoting stereotypes. his victory may have meant more for blackAmericans than anyone else, but it's stilla victory for America. |
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Blak Pope.politicalpalace |
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That's what i'm talking about!!! Barak Obama was built by Zbrinski at Columbia U for three years. His wife is a board member on the Council of
Foreign Relations and is also chairman of the school and health care system. No time for reform. Revolution is key. the united states of america is a
"corporation" "founded" and "established" in 1871 in Jamestown Va. HHHHHMMMM.
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I think you made my point..Stay Up.. we're stupid.. you're the smart guy in the room.. You said nothing new.. and totally missed my point..You are not
really interested in moving people to a a place of enlightenment, you are on some other shit.. But it is what it is..
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He should've never used the word Uncle Tom.. Its no different then those backward ass working class whites who called him uppity or elistist.. He had a
racial overtone.. Had he asked the question about Obama being for the people or selling out.. you'd have no reaction or argument from me.. Its a fair
question that needs to be answered..Nadar knew this..
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Even more than that fellas, Nader is old enough to remember that "Uncle" is what all white people called an older black man in the south during times
of slavery and beyond. Why is every other president the "Leader of the Free World" and the first black president gets to be "Uncle Sam" as
his best option? Why not ask if he's going to be a strong "young buck" in the face of our enemies?
As a supporter of Nader in 1996 and 2000 I was appalled to hear him call our new president "uncle" anything and understood more clearly why black liberal musicians Like Michael Franti didn't support Nader much in 2000 despite his liberal platform.
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elizawalsh |
You've got it right about Nader | #11 | ||
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Thank you for that excellent critique of Nader. He is a jealous, cynical man who seems to have given up on even his own sense of possibility. Your invitation
was perfect,"Mr. Nadar, come join our revolution. Let your fear go. Your time has passed you need to embrace the future."
Nader was once one of my greatest American heroes - a brave and diligent man who used his intellect to discover problems, seek accountability, and protect our health and our environment. In 2000, he swept the nation with a new brand of visionary politics, drawing crowds of inspired change-seeking Americans - at a time when Al Gore had seemed to pretty much drop the environment from agenda - or at least stump speech. I felt a movement brewing. AND WHAT DID RALPH NADER DO WITH HIS GROUNDSWELL OF A SOCIAL MOVEMENT? Did he build it, nurture it, allow its energy and vision to create transformation? No. He disappeared. He made no effort to sustain it. If he wanted to make a real contribution and offer any real advice to President-elect Obama, it would have been "My brother, you have succeeded in captivating the hopes and dreams of millions of Americans, in a way that no politician has dreamt possible for decades. If my experience is any lesson, please know that you must work hard to keep this movement alive. It is one thing to generate energy before an election, and quite another to sustain a movement. I know you have the best intentions, but if you let your movement subside for a moment, the corporate interests - especially those who contributed to your campaign - will maintain control. |
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BaScOmBe |
get a thesaurus | #12 | ||
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you mean epithet. |
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Excellent article Davey. Ralph served a purpose a long time ago. He was one of the first consumer advocates, however he has since veered off into his own
little ego world. As a 50ish white grandmother, I am looking forward to what the future brings. The day of the Jerry Falwell Moral Majority and their
stranglehold on our political system is hopefully coming to an end. President Elect Obama is a fine man. It's going to take a while for him to get us on
track.
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I don't want to get into this whole Nader thing really. But I am concerned by some of the policies that Obama was pressured into taking in order to get
elected, which is what is expected in the system of politics and elections that we have in the US. I'm particularly concerned about his positions in
regard to Latin America - wants to continue the embargo on Cuba... Said that Venezuela and Bolivia were vacuums that needed to be filled - but these are
leftist governments democratically elected by the indigenous people who voted for 'change' in their own countries...
I did vote for Obama and have hopes that he will be able to go great things, but he won't be able to do it alone - you can't just cast a vote for the man and then expect him to have to do the rest by himself. I think Obama has a good heart and is a compassionate and dedicated man. I'm just worried that the pressures of the political and electoral system might be too great and will inhibit him from achieving what he really would like to do for this country. |
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DjRadioConscious |
Obama has already confirmed that Nader is indeed correct. | #15 | ||
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Obama has already confirmed that Nader is indeed correct.
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Joseph from Berkeley |
WHEN ONE CAN SHOCK EVEN *FOX* NEWS WITH AN INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL INSULT…!! | #16 | ||
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Email letter (slightly edited for clarity and [added text]) to a highly respected friend of mine, Green party official, and a Nader political associate:
WHEN ONE CAN SHOCK EVEN *FOX* NEWS WITH AN INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL INSULT…!! RALPH NADER 'CALLS' OBAMA AN UNCLE TOM!! From: Joseph Anderson <[deleted for privacy]> To: [deleted for privacy] Subject: Nader: "or [whether Obama is going to be] Uncle Tom for the giant corporations" ...? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:15:18 -0800 Hi [deleted for privacy], Nader: "or [whether Obama is going to be] Uncle Tom for the giant corporations" ...? Ralph Nader calls Obama a Uncle Tom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GirBGXVklzY&NR=1 (From *all* the different YouTube videos of this, there have literally been 100's of 1,000's of views.) This interview of Nader on Fox News is a perfect example of what happens when an ARROGANT 'white' guy can't admit when he's *wrong* -- even when repeatedly given the chance (as twice before with me [an African American], related to something else very important). So, I'm not at all surprised. It finally caught up with him -- big time. [(Previously emailed:) Apparently, as in my particular case, when Nader thinks you're a nobody (even from the left) who's a nobody that nobody publicly &/or professionally important (even *very* important on the left) knows and cares a lot about, that's exactly how he treats you. This so, even if you're from the left and originally once supported him. But, that's often so true with a lot of those even progressive icons, unless you're constantly worshipping them. Or, as Michael Eric Dyson wrote, about many liberal/progressive icons, on p.54, par.2, of his book _Debating Race_: "...[T]hey go, 'Oh, hell, who is *he*? I'm not going to get the glory anymore because now *that* person is there.' Insecure, incapable of accepting intelligent, articulate (ordinary) people who just want to help."] Nader's whole sentence (racially insulting Obama) didn't even make any real sense at that! -- especially to most Black people: "...whether he's (Obama's) going to be Uncle Sam or Uncle Tom". What does even, "...whether he's going to be Uncle Sam", mean? -- since neither figures, for most racial minorities, have a great reputation. Obviously, Nader must not have any authentic Black personal friends (if any Black personal friends at all) to advise/tell him that this kind of language from him is completely unacceptable. But, if he even had any Black friends, he's probably so *arrogant* [in this case, a female friend of mine calls it having PMS, Progressive Male Syndrome] and "white" ["white", to me, is more of an (historical) *attitude*, rather than simply a color] that he wouldn't even consult or listen to them either -- or even *ever* feel that he even needs to do so. Hell, what do we Black people know? Even *IF* the sentiment were politically right, his presumptuous wording was *grossly insensitive* to the national Black community -- and grossly *wrong* to say it that way -- at least not unless or until Obama might *clearly* demonstrate that. Rev. Wright didn't even call Obama an "Uncle Tom". Wright said that, "Obama was just being a politician." And the reasons Nader itemizes for his epithet aren't even logically or politically sufficient reasons for saying such a thing (unlike those one could give for someone directly like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, or Ward Connerly, or John McWhorter, or even, effectively, Condoleeza Rice). Obama has arguably come questionably close. [Like, refusing to go to Memphis to commemorate the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King's death, when Hillary and even McCain did, but Obama went to commemorate Israel's 60th anniversary of its colonization and take-over of historic Palestine. Obama saying "we must respect the judge's verdict" completely exonerating the pigs (who were allowed to opt out of a jury trial) who legally murdered Sean Bell in yet another hail-of-bullets lynching of a Black man by rogue cops. Obama being a *"Black"* (although I don't know what he calls himself) man from *Illinois* who supports the death penalty, in a state that once had to *release* more men, almost all Black, from death row than were *on* death row during the time (even, consequently, the white Republican governer opposed the death penalty). Obama alluding to -- but refusing -- to even say Martin Luther King by name in Obama's nomination acceptance speech, a man Obama would have also had to condemn, if both were alive today, for King calling the U.S. "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today", let alone condemn conscious Black athletes like Mohammad Ali, or John Carlos and Tommie Smith, back in the day. Obama's speeches about "Black male (ir)responsibilities", Obama's 'Bill Clinton', "Sister Souljah moment". (Like you don't hear, on television talk / court / other shows every day, about plenty of white guys, from rich to poor, not taking care of their kids, when not busy murdering their entire family.) Obama wouldn't even put on a welcome lei, given to him in Hawai'i upon a campaign visit there, for fear he would look 'too native Hawaiian'! But, these aren't even the kind of arguements that Nader used.] But, Obama hasn't yet, directly or effectively, *singled-out* and especially *targeted* Black people for adverse political or economic policies, which is what it would take for the "Uncle Tom" racial insult to be justified. *I* wouldn't even say what Nader said and I've been sociopolitically quite opposed to either Obama and McCain as would-be, imperialist, 'white-supremacist', economic neoliberalist, military-industrial complex, pro-corporate, pro-Zionist presidents, promoted from political parties that represent just that. This is a demonstration that Nader is emotionally losing it. While there are some very young and fit 70-something year-olds (especially in California), perhaps he's personally getting too old to stand up to the stresses of constant round-the-country barnstorming for either his book or his erstwhile running for president (that can take a toll on someone of any age), and the constant personal-political attacks even from other white so-called "progressive/leftist" icons. Apparently, not even his political or personal (if he's got any left with good judgement) friends can help him anymore. *That's* how Nader wants to go out? Now he's *finished* in the national Black community. And, before that, he would have been finished in the San Francisco Bay Area with Black people, as far as my efforts would have been concerned. All that talk of his, before in his book lectures, about his emulating his father's supposed great judgement, ethics and principles...; my brilliant lefty attorney housemate summed it all up in her usual succinct way when I told her what happened to me from Nader: "Goes to show it's all just rhetoric." But, to borrow from and paraphrase Ice Cube, let a ffoolll be a ffoolll! [But, check this out: since this email, another Green party official privately emailed me and called Nader's remark, "an insensitive, but clearly calculated outburst"!] Peace, Joseph [Berkeley, CA]
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Joseph from Berkeley |
RALPH NADER IS THE EPITOME OF "WHITE" PROGRESSIVE ARROGANCE | #17 | ||
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nateshea |
eliza's right | #18 | ||
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Those of us who have been in the Green Party since 2000 or so have learned that Ralph Nader's best interest is Ralph Nader. He may have had an immense
groundswell of support in 2000 because nobody else was talking about the issues he was. But he also owes a lot of his popularity to those who worked for him
under the green banner, under a platform that exists today that he still uses as his own. In 2004 he decided to run as an independent because the greens wanted
him to help build and maintain the party and actually register Green. Since he couldn't bring himself to do that, he ran anyway and tried to get our
endorsement by attending the convention via phone and using the late Peter Camejo (GP candidate from CA who also was running as the GP nominee for president)
as his running mate. This year he tapped Matt Gonsalez as his VP choice, another fine green from San Fran who came a few percentage points shy of winning the
office of Supervisor of the Board of Directors.
I can't understand why Nader doesn't see through his own follies except that people still love and adore him and will vote for him until he is in the grave (and maybe even after!). This Nader following only furthers his quest to run for President every four years and nothing else. He also gets young people involved, which is a notable thing to do but give these folks something to do after the election Ralph, geez. Start a Ralph Nader party for all I care, just don't leave these young folks who have never been involved in politics before out to dry. Also, he has stopped doing consumer advocacy unless editorials count. The Green Party would have been much stronger and Nader would have been too if he had decided to be a green. In the U.S., we still need electoral reforms such as ballot access laws revised, instant runoff voting/ranked choice, and proportional representation. These reforms would make it possibly for Greens and other third party candidates to run and actually win if the people support them. There is a Green Party beyond the presedential election every four years but it relies on people more than contributions - get involved at http://www.gp.org. |
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jzybelle |
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Nader knew what he was doing. He wanted to get his personal political agenda heard so he resorted to racial slurs to sensationalize his points, whether
consciously or otherwise. He was hating on our generational achievement out of envy. It was obvious to me.
Krista Keating Hip Hop Congress www.jzybelle.blogspot.com |
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jzybelle |
My bad about | #20 | ||
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all the spelling errors. Davey gets all my first drafts, uncut.A final published version without the spelling errors exists on my blog:
www.jzybelle.blogspot.com
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