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After reading this article, I sense something I always sense when this topic is discussed: alot of people up in arms talking about something that they don't completely understand. Why? Because they aren't completely knowing the ORIGINS of said thing. With all due respect, the author's "etymology" of the word, "faggot" is half-assed. Why do I say that? Because the word "faggot" is an ENGLISH bastardization of earlier French, Italian, and Latin bastardizations of the word, going back first and foremost to the GREEK word, "phakelos" which meant, "bundle" as in a bundle of sticks used in a fire. Throughout the ages, especially the Middle Ages, when homosexuals began to be burnt at the stake, and even moreso, in 1914 and in WWII when the Third Reich made homosexuals wear pink triangle patches, the word became associated with homosexuals. If we are going to start talking about etymology, don't half-ass it. Later on, the word became BRITISH slang for a cigarette, and to "smoke a fag" means smoking a cigarette in England.

Second, if you look at ancient peoples, you will see that ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME were prevalently homosexual and pedophiliac locations on the globe. This is NOT a prejudiced statement, but one of straight-up fact. There is an overwhelming mountain of evidence on this subject, especially if you look at the following (which are a minute amount of the myriad of sources on this topic):
1)The History of Sex a History Channel Documentary;
2)Kim Cattrall's documentary on the history of sex (on HBO, can't recall the name);
3)Sex and Spirit by Clifford Bishop;
4)African People and European Holidays by Ishakamusa Barashango;
5)Time Life Book on Ancient Greece and Rome - shows a picture of the ancient festival of Saturnalia (which is CLOSELY tied to a holiday way too many of us celebrate today) which heavily involved homosexuality;
6)King James - yes, THAT King James, who was a flaming homosexual;
7)Sappho, The Isle of Lesbos, and the connections of that with the origins of the word, "lesbian" and lesbianism.

In closing, I'm not bashing gays. At the same time, I DON'T agree with the lifestyle, and I certainly don't agree with Male transvestites and transsexuals saying, "I'm a Woman!". No, YOU'RE NOT. If you have: a)a uterus, b)ovaries, c)vagina, d)breasts, e)estrogen dominance, f)menstrual period, and g)you have ALL THOSE THINGS NATURALLY, then you are a Woman. If not, you're a man with an mental fixation on what you think a Woman is. Peace, knowledge, and understanding.

"Not really a straight up fact, the homosexual activity that was so often conducted between men and boys in Greece was actually mostly heterosexual men using young boys before they married their wives of choice so that they could be well practiced in the art of lovemaking"

Tai, with all due respect Sis, I still stand by my point. Whether or not the men were using little boys to practice the art of lovemaking before marriage, still does not negate the fact that: a)the act itself was/IS homosexual, b)that the act was/IS pedophilia, and c)going back to the SEVEN sources I cited ( did you check any of them?), the first, the "History of Sex" documentary which I've seen on the History Channel, during one of its MANY episodes, said this almost verbatim, in the voice of its narrator, saying, "Out of all ancient societies, while most were heterosexual, it was ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME where homosexuality was predominant". Watch the documentary yourself - I know what I heard, and I know what I have seen when I have looked up countless sources on this topic. In the HBO documentary that Kim Cattrall (from "Sex And The City") hosted, she shows pictures of Ancient (again) Grecian and Roman temples that they erected (pun not intended) in honor of the erect penis. There are also several ancient woodcuts that show several Ancient Greeks and Romans involved in not only homosexuality, but also bestiality, as well as pedophilia. Have you not heard of Caligula? Hadrian? Historian and Researcher Ashra Kwesi shows some of these woodcuts and ancient engravings in some of his documentaries, namely, "Christianity- The Stolen Afrikan Religion". Ishakamusa Barashango talks about it in his, "Afrikan People and European Holidays:A Mental Genocide" books, namely when he talks about the holidays that many celebrate in america and the world, when he goes back to the ancient origins of them. Even some white historians have mentioned these things as well, such as Suzanne Everett, in a book titled"The History of Slavery". Speaking of that book, and specifically going to the thing about the Greek Woman supposedly being pure before marriage (which I'm sure was the case in some cases), slavery was one of the main things in the Greek empire, and you know who was one of the PRIMARY SLAVES in the Greek Slave market? Women, especially WHITE WOMEN (White as in Greek and Roman). There's a picture that shows an ancient slave market consisting of White slaves and a Nubian slave, all wearing tags with something scribbled in an ancient text. Now, question: what is a known fact about slavemasters particularly when it came to how they related to Women? I think we both know what time it is with that one.

As far as the writer of the article that sparked this whole discussion, let me make this clear: I have no problem with someone trying to educate people. My problem, which I also clearly stated, was when he tried to talk about the etymology of a certain six-letter word which is an epithet towards homosexuals. I still stand by my point that homeboy was seriously half-stepping when he attempted to break down the origins of the word - he didn't even cover the half of it. If you are going to break down something, go all the way or don't do it at all. If you can't go back all the way, acknowledge it and don't act like you know. It's bad enough when we have white-owned Black radio shows and other white-owned Black media giving us our story from McDonald's and other corporations, who if you ask them about the words Alkebulan, Diaspora, and revolution, they either HAVE NO CLUE or run and cringe, so that they can continue sugarcoating and whitewashing something that they clearly do not know enough about, and it's even worse when you mention names, words, and dates, such as Mumia Abu-Jamal, The Move Organization (specifically what former Philly Mayor John Street did to the MOVE compound in 1981), Fred Hampton, Mark Clark, Mutulu Shakur, Angola 3, Chicago 8, H Rap Brown, Kwame Toure', Yaa Asantewaa, The Maafa, 1555, The Berlin Conference, Gil Scott-Heron, The Maroons, Denmark Vesey, Chief Justice Roger Taney, The Dred Scott Decision, and several others, to the Black hosts of these radio and other media shows and they have no clue either, and don't give a damn to find out, and yet continue to allow someone else to "educate" them. We as a collective group of people on this planet called earth must stop depending on the mainstream to educate us about us, and we must stop editing our history to make it comfortable for a worldview and mindset that we did not originate or create, for some marketing and advertising dollars at the expense of our collective truth and self-respect. Peace and understanding.

Donmancan:

Thanks. I feel alot of what you're saying, however I don't know if we can pin the decline of humanity on just one person, as humanity is made up of more than one person, feel me? While Socrates I'm sure had some serious issues, as well as those many other personages of those ancient societies did and modern societies still do (with some of those ancient societies certainly being some of the most corrupt and depraved empires to grace this planet), I have to remember the following: How did all these "philosophers" create "philosophy" if the Greek government itself consistently took measures to snuff out and destroy the inception of it? I believe that the Greek government did not want their citizenry to think except for what the government wanted to think, especially as implied by Plato in "The Republic". Socrates, and the other "philosophers" represented a threat to that mandate, and like many who went against the state, the Greek government set him up to take him out, first accusing him of, as their own proceedings state, "teaching of doctrines relating to the sky" (OLD doctrines which date back to Ancient Kemet and Nubia), and I also believe that he was murdered, as was several of the other Greek Men whom we've been told were the originators of something that actually predates Greece by thousands of years. I also recall one of my all-time favorite HipHop artists, KRS-ONE stating the following, which has been backed up by several sources:

640 to 322 B.C. originates Greek philosophy/But in that era, Greece was at war/
With itself, and Persia, once more/Any philosopher at that time was a criminal/
He was killed very simple/This indicates that Greece had no respect/
For science or intellect/So how the hell Greece created philosophy?/
When they killed philosophers constantly?/
(From "Why Is That?" from the album "Ghetto Music:The Blueprint of Hip Hop", Jive Records, (c)1989)
*Also quotes Stolen Legacy by George G.M. James which quotes several other sources as well*

I also find your comments about how there was a historical and institutional emphasis on getting rid of the feminine principle also true, which is one of the main reasons why I'm disgusted by organized religion and really don't claim one: they talk all this stuff about a heavenly father, but don't say anything about a heavenly MOTHER, which last time I checked, you can't have one without the other. The irony is that the most ancient cosmological and spiritual (hint, hint) principles which later became the corrupted, co-opted and whitewashed foundations of organized religions, all mention a feminine principle as well as the GODDESS CONCEPT - and people still wonder why and how, "The DaVinci Code" pissed off and still pisses off the Catholic Church like it does. Also, if you look at the suppression, oppression and brutalization of Women that went on and still goes on with the historical institution and maintenance of organized religion, you'll see that downplaying and downright denying the existence of the feminine energy (not so much as the feminine side of Men)in the universe is one of the main modus operandis. It never ceases to amaze me how countries, especially ameriKKKa will tout itself as the pinnacle of liberty, justice and equality when:
a)the Constitution and Bill of Rights states explicity, all men (not Women and definitely not non-White men and Women as far as how that whole thing has been systematically executed and administered) are created equal;
b)The U.S. government did not even recognize Womens' Rights with the 19th Amendment passed in 1919 and ratified in 1920 (and still there is a glaring disparity, but that's for another discussion);
c)the myth that Womens' birth pangs and menstrual cycle are the result of Eve "causing the fall of Man in the garden" being pushed heavily in the history of this continent, especially;
d)the Salem Witch Trials and also the similar corresponding witch hunts in medeival europe where a Woman who had some knowledge that only a Man was supposed to have was hunted down and burnt at the stake, tortured, and other atrocities;
e)Funding for Womens' Health Issues is still down while you can find all these drugs for e.d.(erectile dysfunction) and other male centric health issues;
etc., etc., etc., I could go on and on. It is my opinion, that any time you have a system based on and tilted towards male(white)priviledge you will have a gross imbalance. I believe that a society that actually has an EQUAL emphasis on the co-existence of the male and female energy that exists in the cosmos would be much better off.

I also definitely agree with your last paragraph: in ameriKKKa, especially, in the case of unless someone's sentiment goes along with the predominant eurocentric/pro-White worldview that dominates ameriKKKa, then you are considered as an outcast, to be ridiculed, ostracized, punished, repressed, and in severe cases oppressed, silenced, murdered, and knocked off. It also never ceases to amaze me how many (especially those who are the descendants of those who stole a whole continental land mass from a people they STILL misnomer after a country some 5,000 miles to the east), still want to claim said continent as, "their country". I'm sorry, but stealing, lying, enslaving, pillaging, robbing, plundering, brutalizing and deliberate dividing and conquering and blindly co-signing same, does not make a country yours- especially when you don't take into account the ORIGINAL INHABITANTS and ORIGINAL WORLDVIEW(S), AND CULTURE(S)of said continent. There were "Indians", Chinese, and African peoples on this continent long before europeans even knew how to sail a boat, and yet, when the history of this continent is taught in school systems, a geographically-inept "discoverer" who got lost (and whose plans to sail were rejected by the Spanish government 5 times: so much for geographic prowess, huh?)is still hailed as the great discoverer of america, the "indians" are still shown as savages being shown "the light of god" by "pilgrims" who viciously murdered, slaughtered and cannibalized them, and set the stage for Manifest Destiny and the thanksgiving holiday, the Africans are still cast off as nothing but perpetual slaves of Europeans and others, and america is still portrayed as the worlds' supreme and only protector of the most noble virtues of humankind, as we are all taught to , "God Bless America" (and are told subliminally and blatantly that God should punish and forbid the other 6 continents on this planet). Rev. Wright wasn't wrong. Sorry about this long post. For those of you who disagree, that is fine: we all have the right to disagree, however, that is insignificant in the face of truth, because whether or not you or I agree or disagree, the information is out there and there are some who share it, and refuse to blindly accept all the bullshit, and some who are trying to deny it and keep it hidden. It is up to you to not just accept what someone says, but to find out for yourself the truth. Peace.