Ice T vs Soulja Boy: Ice T Explains Himself

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mrdaveyd	Ice T vs Soulja Boy: Ice T Explains Himself		Lead	[-]
Posts: 735 06/25/08 03:53:30	Tags : None I gotta admit I was disappointed when I first heard my homie Ice T tell Soulja Boy to go eat a dick. It was bad look and made him sound like he was either bitter or jealous. Regardless of how you feel about Soulja Boy's music, when you are an icon of Ice T's status you have to carry yourself differently. Ice at this stage of his career needs to be an elder statesman who is available to help guide those who are coming up behind him. He shouldn't be involved in a war of words with a 17 year old who never dissed him. It looks even more suspect when you are actually releasing an album, which is what Ice T is doing. Him attacking Soulja Boy comes across as a cheap gimmick. One would expect more from Ice T. Now Ice has clarified his position and says this is really a situation about good Hip Hop vs wack Hip Hop. There's nothing wrong with that, but how about handling it differently? Lemme give you an example. Last year Scaraface was asked what he thought about Soulja Boy. Scarface said that his kids enjoy dude's music and that he was thinking about reaching out to him so he can get Soulja Boy to help him. Scarface's point was that he knows his music doesn't resonate with those who are in his kid's generation. He was savvy enough to realize that a smart course of action would be to engage the people that are. Perhaps an elder like Scarface being in the studio with a young Soulja Boy could achieve the goals that Ice T says he wants for Hip Hop. By working directly with someone he could help people to step their game up. In any case this situation can go one of several ways. Folks like Ice T can own up to his genuine desires to see Hip Hop improve and demonstrate leadership by leading this discussion and deading any potential conflict. It'll be up to people like him to make sure that outside forces including journalist looking for the next sensational story about Hip Hop to exploit don't start tagging this war of words via You Tube 'old vs young'. That would be some Willie Lynch shit come true. Already we have artists like Kanye West and Spyder Loc of G-Unit weighing in, putting out blogs and videos coming out against Ice T. Once others start getting in the mix, then this situation will take on a life of its own with unintended consequences due to the fact that others may have their own agendas to push. We even have Soulja Boy responding with a cartoon You Tube video which clearly shows that he's 17. Hopefully someone will let him know that his initial response to Ice T was sufficient that his solid points will evaporate if he continues to engage this situation publicly. So if this is about good Hip Hop vs wack Hip Hop then lets not be wack by keeping this war of words going. I say do like Soulja Boy suggested, lets find ways to make this music and culture better. -Davey D- ICE-T VS. SOULJA BOY: Hip hop O.G. explains YouTube beef with teenage rapper. (June 24, 2008) http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur44635.cfm And so it has come to this. The latest hip hop beef to hit the Internet - played out in back-and-forth clips on YouTube - is between O.G. rapper Ice T, age 50; and 17-year-old rap sensation Soulja Boy. It all started last week when Ice T appeared on a mixtape intro that blamed Soulja Boy for "single-handedly killing hip hop" with his single "Crank That (Soulja Boy)" and suggesting that the youngster "eat a dk. " (View here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHCN2bHp_7k) Soulja Boy retaliated with his own YouTube clip in which he made fun of Ice T's age, his real name (Tracy Lauren Morrow), his role as a cop on "Law & Order: SVU" and the fact that he reps the West Coast but was born in New Jersey. (View here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr8B2dnIvR4&feature=related Ice T came back again with an explanation of how his original Soulja Boy dis came about, saying he "went on one" when producers of the mixtape asked him to comment on the current state of hip hop. Ice T apologized for telling Soulja Boy to "eat a dk," but maintained his position that the teen's music is a disaster. "A brother of my caliber shouldn't be talking down on a youngster of your age," said Ice. "But as far as your music goes, it's garbage. And I'm saying that for all of hip hop, homie. " (View here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8J4jBRgT8g) Allhiphop. com got an exclusive with Ice T to get to the bottom of the beef. "I'd like to clarify how all this s*t jumped off," Ice-T explained. "I was in the recording booth doing a mixtape, and the cats in there doing the promotion were fcking with me. They were saying things about 'Soulja Boy this, Soulja Boy that' and basically I went on one. It wasn't meant to be evil, it was basically that Hip-Hop 'ngga fk that' stance. " "I didn't expect them to use that clip to promote their mixtape," Ice-T reasoned. "So I'm in the crib and nggas is calling me talking about Soulja Boy is replying to you on the Internet. And I'm like 'replying to what?' So I see it and I'm like 'man here we go.' It was a statement made behind closed doors, not meant to be an attack on this n*a. "I didn't even know dude was 17 years-old," Ice continues. "I felt bad. I know I came hard at the na, but at the end of the day that's just an old school, passionate Hip-Hopper trying to keep this thing 100. I'm not trying to disrespect Collipark or even lil homie [Soulja Boy]. Of course I overreacted…it's not meant to be harmful. Bottom line is I would like to see rappers of today step their game up. " Read the rest of Ice T's comments here: http://allhiphop.com/stories/news/archive/2008/06/23/20197321.aspx* Return to Davey D's Hip Hop Corner Last Edited By: mrdaveyd 06/25/08 03:58:01. Edited 1 time.
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ivansanchez		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 06/25/08 06:04:37	What up Peoples, Ice T really needs to quit while he's ahead. The more he speaks on this situation, the worse he makes himself look. And what's up with him putting his 16-year-old son on the end of the "apologetic" video to tell Soulja Boy to eat a dick? That makes the "apology" null and void. He's telling Soulja Boy to respect his elder statesmen but Ice is acting like he's even younger than Soulja. I agree with Soulja telling Ice to do something about the state of Hip Hop if he doesn't like it. First you have to check your gangster pimp persona at the door. That shit is old, it's played out, its wack and it's the reason Hip Hop has become known more as a degradation tool than an education tool. Does anybody care that we are killing our own kids? Does anyone give a shit that the more we allow these studio gangster clowns to dictate the rules to the streets that we will continue to be trapped in a never-ending cycle of self-imposed decline??? Wake the fuck up already!!!!!!!! When Ice T moved into the convertible house on the hills - who the hell owns a convertible house anyway - he no longer was allowed to rhyme about how hard his struggle "is". He was no longer allowed to rhyme about pimping hoes and shooting foes… He should be rhyming about what it feels like to have more money than you can spend in a lifetime and what he does with that money to help his community progress… Is he doing anything to help his community progress? And I'm not talking about his new community… I'm talking about the one he left behind… Like Soulja Boy said Ice… If you don't like the current state of affairs do something about it. And no, I'm not talking about make another bullshit, wack, fake-as-hell gangster album. I'm talking about using your money to help some 16-year-old in the hood record in a studio he could only now dream about and let him rhyme about "his" struggle… Because for him - it's still REAL!!! One Love, Ivan Sanchez (www.isanchez.com)
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peterson		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 06/25/08 08:08:20	Rap music isn't that serious all of this is pure garbage, just as simple as that it's not real anymore it's all hollywood money making trash!!!
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Cosmonaut Seven		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 83 06/25/08 11:01:11	Rap music IS this serious. Its so serious that the likes of rupert murdock want to trivialize it or use its immense power to convert its adherents and listeners into trivial individuals. Easier to scatter about into a million mindless beefs. Rap music is VERY serious. Its a global phenomenon that gives the grandchildren of Americas enslaved forefathers, an epic group in and of themselves, a voice that is heard throughout the world eventually uniting the diaspora. This is what they fear. This is why they pulled the plug on what they call "conscious" rap. They want to put the world back to sleep. Rap is the alarm ringin))))))))
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Digital Champ.politicalpalace		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 18 06/25/08 11:08:51	Now of course Ice-T carrying legitimate O.G status out L.A could see if the Souljah is really in the Boy, but it's not that deep. Plus I don't think he would want to be re-enacting his own work on Law and Order. What I see interesting about this one is that it shows the alienation between the generations of black males. You don't see this sort of generational animosity among other artistic sub cultures. I think it is very reflective of the situation in the community with all these kids coming up without an active father. You see the first thing Souljah Boy came with was Ice-T is old, as if that is a bad thing. He is older, but we are not talking a situation like when hip-hop first came out, and the kids were on it and the adults were like "what is this." Ice's generation invented it. So the kids really can't say they are not hip. Actually hip-hop today is easier to digest for someone outside of the culture than it was back in the day. At the same time the first generation of hip-hop isn't known by in large as having been very good parents. This is the generation where the out of wedlock births, absentee parenting, drug abuse, skyrocketing incarceration, and gun violence took off. It left a lot of kids out there, and now they are really not trying to hear it.
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Cosmonaut Seven		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 83 06/26/08 06:15:13	On top of t hat Ice T was a terrible breakdancer. He was just flailing his arms for the most part.
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Cosmonaut Seven		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 83 06/26/08 06:47:23	btw this topic is number 666.
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kmcvol1		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12 06/26/08 08:35:28	Why can't Soilder Boy be ridiculed for what he passes off as Hip Hop? When did it become wrong for a legend to state the wrongs in a culture he helped build. Would it be more excepted if it came from Rakim or KRS? This is what is wrong with Hip Hop!!! Ice T has more than a right to come at Soilder Boy for the bs that he is feeding our kids. I mean would you want your daughter to get supermaned by some dude she is dating? Or would you rather he supersoaked her? How about if she asked him a question and he said "Yah TRICK YAH"!!!! But I guess that is just fine with you. Man this dude is 17 and this is all he can rap about? I mean this is what is wrong with the culture as a whole. No one takes the time out to correct what is wrong. Why can't someone step up and demand better lyrics and topics in Hip Hop? Especially, someone of Ice T's relevance. When BOW WOW spoke harsh on the Fresh Prince.....no one said a thing. The young up and coming MC doesn't have respect for his history and those that came before him. The cut off age syndrom is coming home to roost. When you made hip hop a young man's game......guess who ended up running the show. Immature, young minded kids who think fashion, jewelry, money, and cars are the only topic in Hip Hop that will sell and provide for them. No one says hey did you know that you can actually show just how smart you are and people will still buy your album and respect you more because you don't sound EXACTLY like the next man. But I guess the industry had dumb down the music so much that the consumer themselves have become blind and ignorant to the bullshit that they are being sold. So much for hip hop......moving into its place.......THE MINSTRAL SHOW......starring......YOUNG IGNORANT KIDS aka THE FUTURE!
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jklpete		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9 06/26/08 13:00:14	the problem is, cats forget their history ... anyone remember this prophecy, from almost 20 years ago, now??? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR_wODiBL1o to jog your memory, chapter and verse: How you gonna drop science? You're dumb... Stupid ignorant, don't even talk to me At school you dropped Math, Science and History And then you get on the mic and try to act smart Well let me tell you one thing, you got heart To perpetrate, you're bait, so just wait Till the press shove a mic in your face Or you meet Boogie Down or Chuck D (Ice-T?? :D) Stetsasonic or the Big Daddy And they ask you about the game you claim you got Drop science now, why not? You start to sweat and fret, it gets hot How'd you get into this spot? You played yourself... I appreciate that as an elder statesman, Ice could try to reach out to SB, but at some point a line needs to be drawn in the sand. It is that mentality from "You Played Yourself" that I believe is informing his "no more music by the suckas" mentality now. It is not as if artists like SB were the first artists to create the music, like Ice and his generation were, and could therefore claim that they had no guidance as how move next. The younger generation has to meet the elder generation halfway, and they really have no excuse for not making an effort to learn from those whose came before them... peace
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RobSac	Ice T made the radio come to him	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 06/28/08 11:42:33	Ice T made the radio come to him. That was his point. Then, he pushed the envelope further and further. Started doing punk rock, "cop killa". His hip hop stayed raw. He's trying to let these younger rappers know that the radio is killing hip hop, and they're just helping it. As far as telling Soulja boy to "eat a d**k?" Whatever gets the point across. Call it tough love.
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peterson		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22 07/01/08 12:56:26	no it's not that serious, if it was then the legacy of Tupac, Christopher, Scott, Jay, and host of other would have foundation from other people beside their relatives. Hip Hop is trash, it use to be wonderful but hey wtf!!!!
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sagidi		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3 07/06/08 10:26:42	Bottom line is most of what is pushed to the masses as hiphop is used as a tool of genocide on afrikan people. if it's true on what soldier boy's crank that really means (jacking off on the back of a young girl and the semen sticking to the sheet - thus the cape), then this is a crying shame. with bye you a drink, hey ba ba, wipe me down, and crank that being probably the top songs for our youth in '07, we are in dire trouble. now today every time we turn on the radio, two of our most popular entertainers are singing about f**** in a club in front of everyone. then lil shame (wayne) is on rapping about oral sex or materialism. Hiphop has always talked about keeping it real. let's keep it real and look at the conditions of our the majority of our communities. We hardly own shit, educational systems suck, most of the politrickster are corrupt, churches are exploitings us, pigs occupy our communities and locking us up, 60-70 of the peeps in the world with hiv-aids are Afrikan Women, were 12% of this pop.. and nearly 50% of the murder victims etc.... and the majority of the musik being mushed in the minds of our peoples say exploit our women, buy jewels, slang crack, drink liquor and kill each other. as for ice t, he made a few koncious cuts, i.e. you played yourself, but the majority of his catalog has been pure ignorance. i was just listening to it's a g thang. his flow is tight, beat slamming, but the message i basically ignorant. I recently spoke to a class of 7th graders and asked them about ipods, mp3 etc. and most had them. I asked them if the musik was edited and none them said the songs were edited. So with this being the case our children are hearing hundreds of n-bombs, d*sucking request, murder messages, and encouragements to drink hard liquor everyday. This has to cease and desist. Coming up generally most of us adults 35+ listen to the same musik the adults listen to. Today the musik that our youth listen to should be for adults only. we need a musical revolution. peace!
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